Conquering Alcohol, Burnout, and Hustle Culture w/ Guest Jamie Phillips / EP 42

In this riveting episode, hosts Ruby and Susan sit down with the incredible Jamie Phillips, a certified alcohol freedom mindset coach. Jamie opens up about her personal battles with addiction, the relentless hustle culture, and the transformative power of rest.

Have you ever wondered how societal norms and media shape our views on alcohol? Or how burnout and stress can drive us towards unhealthy coping mechanisms? This episode is packed with eye-opening insights and thought-provoking discussions that will make you rethink your relationship with alcohol.

Jamie dives deep into the stigma surrounding addiction and the misconceptions that keep many from seeking help. Ruby and Susan share their own experiences, challenging the notion that addiction only affects certain people. They explore how alcohol became intertwined with Jamie’s identity, from easing social anxiety to coping with stress. What role does education play in changing our perceptions of alcohol? How can we break free from the hustle culture and prioritize self-care?

Tune in to discover Jamie’s journey, her advocacy for informed decision-making, and the revolutionary concept of rest. Get ready for an episode that will inspire you to embrace a healthier, more balanced lifestyle!

00:00 Ruby's' guidance helped change Jamie's mindset and perspective.
04:11 Encouragement, accountability, perspective — transformed life, reduced drinking.
10:17 Drinking for burnout; unhooking from hustle culture.
11:03 Burnout worsened by pandemic; relied on alcohol.
14:34 Angry at alcohol marketing; promoting revolutionary reset.
20:33 Earning rest over productivity is changing.
23:11 Burnout from defining worth by productivity and performance.
24:17 Overachiever sacrificed self-care and rest for success.
27:23 Walking outside helps me feel alive.

Our guest, Jamie Phillips is a certified Alcohol Freedom Mindset Coach helping creative humans struggling with burnout take a break from booze to rest, repair, and reignite their inner spark.  You can find more about Jamie at her website: www.revolutionaryreset.com

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Transcript

Sick and tired of your love-hate relationship with wine?
Welcome to the feel it alcohol free podcast. Hi. I'm coach Ruby Williams. And I'm coach Susan Larkin. We are 2 former wine lovers turned alcohol freedom coaches exposing the lies about alcohol and giving you, our listeners, the tools to break free so you can feel lit. And when you're lit, you'll feel healthier, freer, and more in control of your life. So relax, kick back, and get ready to feel lit alcohol free. And don't forget, grab a copy of our wine free weekend guide after the show.

Ruby [00:00:02]:
Welcome. I'm so excited to be back recording another episode, with Susan, and we have a special guest today. So excited to introduce you all to Jamie Phillips. Hi, Jamie. And, Jamie is a certified alcohol freedom mindset coach, helping creative humans struggling with burnout. Take a break from booze to rest, repair, and reignite their inner spark. Oh, that's so beautiful. It's so great to have you on the show, Jamie.

Susan [00:00:35]:
Yes. Yeah.

Jamie Phillips [00:00:37]:
Thank you so much, Ruby and Susan. It's such a pleasure to be here. Thank you for having me.

Ruby [00:00:42]:
You're welcome. So I love this first question. Let's just get right to it. And do you want to introduce yourself and just provide a little bit of background around your alcohol free journey? Let's start there.

Jamie Phillips [00:00:56]:
Absolutely. So, I became an alcohol freedom coach, and I decided to call myself an alcohol freedom mindset coach even though that title is a little bit long, because it really is so much about the mindset piece. Mhmm. So when I, you know, when I started this journey, I was lucky enough to have access to coaching from the both of you. And so I'm so delighted to be here sitting with you today. It just brings me so much joy.

Ruby [00:01:25]:
Like, full circle.

Susan [00:01:27]:
Full circle.

Jamie Phillips [00:01:29]:
You both really just mean, I just understood the power of coaching coupled with this work. Because in the beginning of my journey, I was learning all of the new things that we talk about, all the science behind what alcohol does in the body and mind and the science of habit change and the neural pathways, you know, all those little rabbit holes that we all kind of fall down. But I was noticing right from the get go that I had so much resistance in my own mind. Like, I had been practicing this one perspective my whole life. How many decades of my life that I was drinking and practicing, building these beliefs and these thoughts about alcohol. So as I was learning this new information, there was just a lot of resistance in me. Like, I don't think I want this and this you know, maybe this isn't for me. And, you know, alcohol was my favorite thing back then, so I couldn't imagine life without it.

Ruby [00:02:35]:
Yeah.

Jamie Phillips [00:02:35]:
So to have not only the counsel and the guidance of beautiful coaches like you helping me along the way, but, honestly, just hearing your perspective from so far ahead in the process. I mean, Ruby, you from the get go, you sort of cracked open that door of possibility for me. Like, what if? What if this is possible? And and and you helped me see that my mindset and my perspective wasn't a fixed thing, that it was actually malleable. And, I mean, the power of that, that was fascinating to me from the beginning. And then, Susan, you became, like, this voice of compassion in my mind when, you know, in the beginning of, reimagining or just questioning your relationship with alcohol, you know, you come up against all those roadblocks. And before you really understand how your mind is working and how those thoughts and beliefs and neural pathways are, you know, pulling you in different directions, you just feel like you can't do it, or you're not doing it right, or you're doing something wrong. And, I mean, Susan, you just sort of helped me see that I'm learning. You know? In the beginning, we're all learning a new skill.

Jamie Phillips [00:03:55]:
Mhmm. So the both of you just made such a huge impact.

Ruby [00:03:58]:
You just made my day. You made my little heart sing. But you're right. The power of coaching. It's so amazing. Yeah. To just yeah. What if? The possibilities. I love it.

Jamie Phillips [00:04:11]:
Right. Right. It's that combination of encouragement, also, you know, gentle accountability, and then also helping you see we are all living inside of our own minds wherein we're looking at the world through our own perspective. And so there's a saying that I really love, and I say it all the time, but it's so true that it's like you can't see the label from inside the jar. We're inside of these little jars of our own mind, and you can't just by the nature of blind spots, you can't see certain things in your own life, in your own perspective. So, I mean, I made incredible progress. My my whole life changed in a very short period of time from when I started actually questioning my relationship with alcohol to, like, sort of like, my drinking reduced by about half really quickly, and then I got to the place where I was starting to get some time alcohol free, and then I got a big break under my belt. And then and then there was no turning back for me.

Jamie Phillips [00:05:14]:
I just kept going. So I so I think it's because I was doing both at the same time

Susan [00:05:19]:
Yeah.

Jamie Phillips [00:05:20]:
The learning and the coaching that I just made this huge life change Wow. From

Ruby [00:05:25]:
I'm so 0

Jamie Phillips [00:05:26]:
to 6.

Ruby [00:05:27]:
Proud of you. So proud of you. How did your, like, drinking get started, though? Like, what do you do? Will you take me back to the beginning? I'm so curious.

Jamie Phillips [00:05:36]:
Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for asking, Ruby. You know, it's like so many of us. We all start drinking for whatever reason, for different reasons. But, I started drinking, you know, probably super late in high school. I was kind of a nerdy kid in a small town, and I never really fit in yet. And, you know, I'm actually so grateful for that experience now for kind of growing up on the margins.

Jamie Phillips [00:06:05]:
I think that it's given me such an empathetic kind perspective on the world that I wouldn't trade. But, you know, going through the experience as a teenager and a young person, not not feeling like I belonged was I mean, that was horrible. You know, it was such an emotionally traumatic time in my life, honestly.

Susan [00:06:30]:
Yeah.

Jamie Phillips [00:06:31]:
So you couldn't pay me to go back. But so when I started drinking in late high school, and then when I made it to college and I came out of the closet, I decided that I was queer or gay back then. I started to find my people, and, honestly, that went hand in hand with going out to bars. And so many queer spaces, even beyond, you know, when you're 21 and in your early twenties, so many queer spaces in general are centered around booze. There's the nightlife. There's, you know, the clubs and the dancing. And, you know, some that don't always look like clubs. Sometimes it looks like wine tasting and potlucks.

Jamie Phillips [00:07:14]:
But, but looking back, I can just see so clearly how drinking for me went hand in hand with the sense of belonging

Ruby [00:07:24]:
Mhmm.

Jamie Phillips [00:07:24]:
And, ultimately, safety. And so I think, for me, that's where my relationship with alcohol, I think, really started to grow and in a way that is deeper than just, you know, oh, I'll have a drink to go out dancing. You know, we we talk about giving alcohol jobs and how that tends to be a turning point for people in their their relationship with alcohol or building a dependence on the substance as a coping mechanism or, you know, the the the giving it jobs really does seem to be little turning points that you can see clearly in hindsight, not necessarily. Mhmm. Yeah. Not necessarily at the moment.

Susan [00:08:10]:
We use the word safety, and that makes so much sense because that makes it really stick. If your subconscious feels like this is helping you be safe, fitting in is helping you be safe and alcohol is helping you do that. And that's a little bit, it sounds like it was attached to your identity.

Jamie Phillips [00:08:29]:
Absolutely. Yeah.

Susan [00:08:31]:
So you can imagine how ingrained that is. And then you go to change that. And, of course, you had resistance because, you know, your subconscious brain is like, this is not safe. I don't like this change. You know?

Jamie Phillips [00:08:42]:
Right.

Susan [00:08:42]:
Yeah. What is this gonna mean about me? Who am I gonna be without alcohol? I can just imagine. Yeah. So the fact that you were able to break free and in such a short time, like you said, is extraordinary and really amazing.

Jamie Phillips [00:08:57]:
Yeah. Thanks, Susan. I agree with what you just said. I'm 100%. It was absolutely a part of my identity even beyond. So, you know, that first job with alcohol had to do with belonging and probably it was, you know, getting over a little bit of social anxiety, you know, within my twenties, to be honest. But then as my life continued, I started giving alcohol to other jobs. And the primary job, like, you know, as I progressed into my thirties and forties and as my career, as I was continuing on and getting more successful, I started using alcohol as a way to cope with stress. Yes.

Jamie Phillips [00:09:33]:
And anxiety and overwhelm and so common. Right? I mean, we all alcohol has that numbing effect, and so I think we so easily it just so easily sneaks its way to the top of the list of, you know, when you're feeling stressed or uncomfortable or even tired, you know, your mind just goes straight to, like, oh, you know what would help you feel better? Grab a drink. Plus layer on all of the marketing and advertising that comes at us from every angle about alcohol, helping you relax or unwind or, you know, all the messaging that we're just bombarded with

Ruby [00:10:11]:
Mhmm.

Jamie Phillips [00:10:12]:
All the time.

Susan [00:10:13]:
Yeah. Yeah.

Jamie Phillips [00:10:14]:
That was another turning point for me, I think.

Susan [00:10:17]:
And that's very common too. I mean, that's part of my story. You know? Drinking for stress and burnout and overfunctioning, and then the alcohol only came to me in that state because I was never dealing with those things because I would just drink over them. And so I really relate. I think I noticed, on your which I think is fabulous, your Instagram account, how you talk about unhooking, from or, yeah, unhooking from hustle hustle culture. And I love that idea, like always hustling for your self worth. And I feel like that's something that I can completely relate with. And then you also say something about leading a revolution of rest.

Susan [00:10:53]:
And I'm like, oh, I wanna be part of that revolution. That sounds fantastic.

Ruby [00:10:59]:
Yeah. Will you share more about that, the revolution of rest?

Jamie Phillips [00:11:03]:
I would love to. That is that my passion right now is based on my own story. So, Susan, I also found my place in it and found myself in a place of burnout. And, I mean, I was exhausted and overwhelmed and feeling burned out before the pandemic hit, and then the pandemic shut down the world. And, I mean, my stress and anxiety just went through the roof, and it just pushed both my burnout and my drinking sort of past an edge where I hadn't really been before. And but alcohol at the time was really my only tool to cope. And back then, I really did think it was helping me. I really thought that there was a benefit.

Jamie Phillips [00:11:50]:
And so, I was burned out, overfunctioning, and just drinking to cope and knowing what I know now about the direct connection between alcohol and stress and alcohol and burnout. I mean, talk about hindsight. I can just see so clearly how I was just perpetuating that cycle and, like you said, stuck, keeping myself stuck. Yes. Yeah. Exactly. So what I really wanted to do when I part of the reason why I became certified as a coach was because I'm I've just as soon as I learned all of this information and the connection between alcohol and all these things that we're just mentioning, I just have been shouting it from the rooftops ever since. I just want everyone to know the facts.

Jamie Phillips [00:12:45]:
Not to say that any decision is right or wrong, not to say that anybody has to quit or drink less or do anything different than what they're doing now. I really just want people to have the full picture so that they can make an actual educated choice about what they're putting in their body. Because I feel like I am, I mean, I consider myself an intelligent person. I consider myself a connected person. Like, I wasn't living in a cave, but I sincerely didn't know that alcohol creates stress in the body and mind, and I didn't know that it it's just, like, the worst possible thing you could do if you're already feeling tired, exhausted

Ruby [00:13:30]:
Yes.

Jamie Phillips [00:13:30]:
Let alone burned out.

Ruby [00:13:32]:
But yet I remember thinking alcohol relieves stress. I thought it was, I mean, I believed it. Like, the sky is blue. Alcohol relieves stress. And that's the kind of situation where we work on, is it really true, right, with our coaching? And we what if what if it's not true? Right. Yeah. So that's exactly

Susan [00:13:53]:
one of those myths that perpetuates alcohol. And I remember and I just feel the same way about you, Jamie. Like, I coined this term for myself, just named myself an alcohol awareness advocate. Like that's I'm a coach, but that's also something I wanna do is just get the word out because I feel like these are just things we don't know. Even my husband was like, how come we don't know this about alcohol? How can we be careful with it? How come we didn't know that you, you know, could be used as a maladaptive coping mechanism? Because we just grow up that only certain people have a problem with alcohol and everybody else is gonna be okay. And we don't learn

Ruby [00:14:28]:
Exactly. Right.

Susan [00:14:31]:
It's a disservice in society for sure.

Jamie Phillips [00:14:34]:
I feel like I mean, part of why I use the word revolutionary, like, leading a revolution of rest. I built a course that's called the revolutionary reset. There is some fire in my belly when I talk about this stuff because, honestly, when I first learned all of the facts about alcohol, I was pissed. I was so mad because we're just fed all these lies, and big alcohol pushes out 1,000,000,000 of dollars' worth of advertising and marketing that Yeah. You know, that really hits. I mean, you know, talk about subconscious and influence and, you know, marketing and advertising. There's there's studies that have shown that even if you drive by a billboard on the freeway and your conscious mind kind of, like, rolls your eyes at it, the message, whatever the message is, if there's an emotional component to it especially, your subconscious pick still picks up on it. And so not to say that it's like, what's the word? Oh, I can't think of the word.

Jamie Phillips [00:15:39]:
Subliminal messaging. Not to say that it's necessarily subliminal messaging, but that the marketing and advertising has an impact on us whether we like it or not. And so the fact that there's all this promotion of positive, positive, positive, alcohol's the elixir of life, liquid courage, you know, all those messages that we see all the time. But a complete, to my opinion, lack of education about the negative. I mean, there's no warning label except just drink responsibly, which is sort of like gaslighting if you ask me.

Ruby [00:16:14]:
I agree. That's that, yeah. I have a big, a negative connotation around drink responsibly because by the time

Jamie Phillips [00:16:22]:
you've gone

Ruby [00:16:23]:
Well, by the time you've gone down the pitcher plant and you've flipped, becoming addicted, how can you drink responsibly if you don't have full, prefrontal cortex decision making facilities in your brain, you cannot actually drink responsibly. At least I couldn't. I got to that point. Yeah. Exactly. 

Jamie Phillips [00:16:46]:
Plus the stigma, I absolutely, Ruby. Like, preach it. Be like, and I would add on to that, but the stigma around even the word addiction, the concept of addiction, is just another layer of that BS. I don't know if I can swear on this podcast, but it's just the stigma is another layer of that Yeah. Of that crap that holds us back because it makes us internalize an experience that, a, we're not educated about, and, b, we really don't understand. You don't feel the behind the scenes mechanisms that alcohol taps into or any substance that gives us that artificially high dopamine spike, you know, it's really hacking into the back of our brain, the survival part of our brain. And so you don't know the fact that we're not educated around the specifics we're told alcohol is addictive. I knew it was addictive.

Jamie Phillips [00:17:48]:
I was like, yeah. Yeah. I know. But I didn't understand what that meant. I didn't understand the red flags or the warning signs or you know? Yeah. So

Ruby [00:18:01]:
Yeah. Or you might actually say I remember I remember consciously, like, having a little talk with my brain, and I'm like, I'm strong. I'm not gonna get addicted. That won't happen to me. I can actually remember saying those words out, you know, out loud. Well, in my brain. Right? And thinking, because at that point, I wasn't addicted. So how can you imagine being addicted? You don't know what it means until you are addicted.

Ruby [00:18:28]:
Right? So then people, friends that can drink normally, whatever we wanna say that is, they don't even relate to you because they don't even understand that there's no off. I had no off button. It was just that I kept drinking. Yeah.

Susan [00:18:44]:
I think I grew up thinking that it was only addictive to some people. So not to me. So that doesn't apply to me. And I think a lot of people grow up like that or think that. But also saying drink responsibly would be like saying smoke responsibly. And we would never say that. Right? Of course they, you know, smoking has changed over the years. I'm old enough to remember when I was a kid that they had smoking sections on a plane.

Susan [00:19:11]:
Too. Mhmm. Hello? The smoke is going

Jamie Phillips [00:19:13]:
all over the plane. How do you have a

Susan [00:19:15]:
smoking section on a plane? Gross. I know. So gross. And, and I remember reading an article too about alcohol and all the subliminal messages to where it's almost like it's become wallpaper in our house where we don't notice the patterns. We don't notice the messages because they've just been there for so long, and they're just surrounding us. And we just don't realize how much they're they're in our that they've they've, created all these false beliefs, about alcohol in, you know, growing up

Jamie Phillips [00:19:46]:
Absolutely.

Susan [00:19:47]:
In society. So it's a lot. And I think we all need to congratulate ourselves and all our listeners out there. If you are able to break free, that's not for nothing people. That is huge, it's huge. That is, overcoming something like alcohol is huge. Huge. I think we've used the term badass before and we will use it again.

Ruby [00:20:07]:
You are. We are badasses. We're creating a revolution. I used the word renegade in my business name before. Freedom Renegade, like Renegade going against the grain, having the empowerment and, to go against the grain. This is really counterculture. Yes.

Jamie Phillips [00:20:26]:
Exactly.

Susan [00:20:27]:
But you know, what's also counterculture is rest because we also grow up with I

Ruby [00:20:32]:
wanna go back to

Jamie Phillips [00:20:33]:
that. Yeah.

Susan [00:20:33]:
To the rest because we grow up with keep grinding, you know, feel the burn, you know, not people glorify not sleeping. You know, I only get 4 hours of sleep. And mean, that's starting to change a little bit as we're learning more about sleep, but just this idea that, you know, you have to earn your rest or, yeah, just how much you produce. You're what your job is. You are what you produce instead of you're just a human being, and you have worth in just being.

Jamie Phillips [00:21:05]:
Exactly. That's exactly where I was gonna go, Susan, when you were talking about just, like, the societal messaging, the culture that we're living in, most of us I mean, I'm in the US, but I've heard it from people. Oh, you know, it's so prevalent across the planet.

Susan [00:21:20]:
The world.

Jamie Phillips [00:21:21]:
Yeah. The world. Yeah. That alcohol is just part of the culture. Just like smoking used to be, you know, to your point, like, watching TV characters and people in movies. You know, they used to smoke all the time if you watch those old movies and smoke. And, you know, the same is true now if you once you see it, you see it everywhere. There's TV characters, you know, drinking martinis and then sitting down on the couch with a glass of wine, and there's all this cultural messaging that's not even as obvious as advertisements in billboards.

Jamie Phillips [00:21:53]:
I mean, it's just the theme of so many stories that we see around us. And you're right. The same is true of that hustle culture, that societal pressure to earn your rest. Like you said, I talk about that all the time. It's like, that's how I used to function, as I would have my to do list had to be done before I sat down to rest.

Ruby [00:22:19]:
Right.

Jamie Phillips [00:22:20]:
And the irony is that my to-do list was never done, which meant that I rarely sat down to rest. But what it did mean was that the stress and the the pressure that I was putting on myself, coupled with the pace of that busy, busy life, made me so I pushed myself so far past capacity that that's why I would reach for that glass of wine at the end of the day or, you know, even, like, just the the the cocktail and the French fries, like, anything the coping mechanism. I just needed something fast to feel better because I pushed myself so far past that point of balance.

Ruby [00:23:03]:
Yeah. Did that have long term effects on your health? You know, this yeah. Did

Jamie Phillips [00:23:11]:
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, that was exactly what landed me in burnout, Ruby. I think it was just, like, decades of Susan, you said it also before. Like, I I was absolutely I didn't know it at the time, but I was essentially defining my worth, earning my place in the world based on my productivity or my performance or my, you know, I, was just talking to one of my clients today about how so many of the folks that I end up coaching seem to be a students in in in school. And I don't know I don't know if you identify with that, but I feel like there's this correlation between doing well as a young person in school and getting so much getting so rewarded for studying, getting As, knowing the answers, doing the extra credit. I mean, there's this sort of messaging that is ingrained in us from the get go. And so I think, both of my parents, who I love dearly, are school teachers.

Jamie Phillips [00:24:17]:
And so, I mean, I always did my homework. I always did the extra credit, and I always had this real real solid sense of pride from those achievements. And so, I mean, it's you just send me out into the world, and I just keep doing that, and I keep, there's an element of people pleasing in there for me and perfectionism also and just, like, the over functioning, overachieving. I I was really successful. I mean, there was a benefit to that for me. I was promoted in jobs and I had coworkers that I had really good relationships with and, you know, it wasn't all bad. But I think hustling like that for so long and not without the tools or the skills or the awareness of the self care that was missing, the balance that was missing, the rest that was missing in there. I mean, rest, it's not a bonus for being a successful human.

Jamie Phillips [00:25:26]:
It's necessary. It's a necessary component to think your best, to have your best clarity and focus. If you're trying to do anything in the creative realm, I mean, you have to have you have to be in a space of, you can't be in survival mode. You can't be in fight or flight Mhmm. In order to access that creativity or that flow.

Ruby [00:25:52]:
I 100% agree that rest is missing, for so many people, or we think the alcohol is self care on a, not on a conscious level, but it's like, oh, it's I want to rest now. So I'm going to drink my wine and rest. Right. Mhmm.

Susan [00:26:11]:
It was like the accessory that went along with rest or it was the permission slip to rest or it was our white flag. We were hanging out with our family to say, I'm on the couch with my wine, meaning don't bother me.

Susan [00:26:23]:
You know what I mean? It was sort of like

Jamie Phillips [00:26:25]:
Exactly. Yeah. It was my clocking out at the end of the day. It was like after a long time especially during the pandemic when all of a sudden I was working from home. And any kind of boundaries that I did have, which were not many, I'm just now kind of bringing boundaries into my life, which is a beautiful thing. But back then, any boundaries that I did have between work and life were just obliterated because all of a sudden they were just 1 in the same. So so pouring that cocktail at the end of the day was my, like, clocking out with my permission

Ruby [00:26:56]:
out. Mhmm.

Jamie Phillips [00:26:57]:
To stop working.

Ruby [00:26:58]:
Yeah. That makes

Susan [00:26:59]:
so much sense.

Ruby [00:26:59]:
Well, this is oh, this is a good time to, like, segue into, well, we talked about like not, you know, having this kind of boundaries and, and self care and rest when you were drinking, but now you're alcohol free. Like, what do you do, Jamie, to feel lit alcohol free?

Jamie Phillips [00:27:23]:
You know, I love this question, and I love the name of the podcast. It's so perfect. And, honestly, what I do to feel lit, it's probably a common and simple answer. I just go outside, and I just go for a walk even if it's raining. I love going out into the woods if I can actually get myself to a legitimate hike. But even if I can't, just walking out my front door and going for a walk in the neighborhood, it just I think it helps to quiet that noise in my mind from whatever I'm working on during the day or trying to make decisions. It just kind of clicks that part of my brain off, and my curiosity comes online. And I just feel so connected and so alive.

Jamie Phillips [00:28:09]:
That's what I do.

Ruby [00:28:11]:
So it sounds like you aren't, like, listening to music or listening to a podcast. You're, like, listening to the birds or just whatever's in nature. That's beautiful. I love that.

Jamie Phillips [00:28:22]:
Yeah. I try really hard. It is tempting to have a podcast in my ears, but what I've learned about, you know, rest and there's a nervous system regulation in there. And I've learned so much about the benefit of being out in nature and looking up at leaves and trees without anything in your ears. That's just such a a grounding practice for us as humans. Mhmm. Mhmm. Yeah.

Jamie Phillips [00:28:46]:
I try my best not to have not to have a podcast in my ears for at least 20 minutes.

Susan [00:28:51]:
Unless it's ours,

Jamie Phillips [00:28:52]:
then it's okay. No. Yes. I'm kidding. No.

Susan [00:28:56]:
I do the same walk without anything and just let your mind just wander, especially when we're so used to being so focused all the time. Listen to the birds, look at the trees, being out in nature. It is such an easy, free, accessible way to regulate your nervous system. And, yeah.

Ruby [00:29:16]:
And I do the same with my trusty bagel dog. Yeah. He always has to come with me. Yeah.

Jamie Phillips [00:29:25]:
Yeah. I've heard the both of you talk about putting your feet in the grass, and that's on my list of things. I don't have grass in my backyard. I have these little pebbles, but I want but I think it might do the same.

Susan [00:29:34]:
Just that or it's just the same. Sound.

Ruby [00:29:36]:
Yeah. Just ground. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. It can even be concrete or sidewalk. It doesn't have to be dirt, but dirt is better. Okay.

Ruby [00:29:45]:
You know? Like Yeah. Or even putting your hands in, like, a garden that you know? Or soil. Yeah. Soil that can do it too.

Susan [00:29:52]:
I mean, every morning now, it's like my favorite thing. If it's raining, I still kinda pop out there unless it's like a down, dot raining dogs and cats and cats and dogs, I think is the phrase.

Ruby [00:30:02]:
Oh, are you going to do it in winter when it's snowing, though?

Susan [00:30:06]:
No. Then I have to figure out something. There's something that people do. They get, like, grounding mats. No.

Ruby [00:30:12]:
We can't move. No. I have grounding mats. Move. Because you could put your grounding mats underneath your bed. You can put them, like, I have one here when I'm working on my desk.

Susan [00:30:25]:
Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I like to go with the whole natural version of grass or dirt, but, yeah, I suppose in the winter, we'll see. We'll see. We'll have to figure that out. Well,

Ruby [00:30:37]:
Jamie, this has been so much fun. It's so good to connect with you, and your story is gonna resonate with our listeners so much. And, and, yeah, if they wanna learn more about you and where they can find about your revenue revolutionary rest, you know, please do share that.

Jamie Phillips [00:30:56]:
Yeah. Thanks, Ruby. This has been such a pleasure to chat with you both. I'm just big fans of you, and, yeah, I'm sharing your podcast. It's part of what I'm shouting from the rooftops. Yay. So it was such a pleasure to actually be a guest. And, yeah, thank you, Ruby.

Jamie Phillips [00:31:14]:
If anybody wants to, check me out, I'm at, jamiephillips.coach as my website. And then Instagram is revolutionary alcohol reset. And that's named after my course. My course is actually at revolutionary reset dot com if anybody just wants to go Great. Straight there.

Susan [00:31:36]:
Yeah. Awesome. Awesome. I feel like your story is so relatable and relatable to a different niche, you know, the queer community. And I I think that, it's really exciting to be able to have some coaches with that experience as well for that community. So that's really exciting that you decided to become a coach. I'm so glad.

Ruby [00:31:58]:
I know. It's full circle. Like I said, that's so cool. Like yeah. It's so exciting. Okay. Well, Jamie mentioned our feel it podcast. We also have a Facebook community.

Ruby [00:32:11]:
We'd love for you to join and ask questions and get connected to us there. And you can always also listen. If you wanna see our faces, you can go to the YouTube channel. So thank you for listening and thank you so much, Jamie. I loved your story so much. Thank you. 

Jamie Phillips [00:32:28]:
Me too. Thank you

Ruby [00:32:29]:
Thank you so much for being here. Okay. Bye bye. 

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